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Sunday May 14, 2017 6:24 PM
Towards the end of his final round at the 2017 Players, Ian Poulter went into a bush and had to take a drop. Before dropping he began smoothing and contouring the surface where he was going to drop the ball. Was that legal?
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Sunday May 14, 2017 6:58 PM
Ya know, I saw that, too, and thought for sure he was violating some Rule the way he was picking up the Loose Impediments by the handful. So I looked it up in the Rules/Decisions of Golf and this was all I could find:

23-1/6 Removal of Loose Impediments from Area in Which Ball to Be Dropped:

Q.Through the green, is it permissible for a player to remove loose impediments from the area in which he is preparing to drop his ball?
A.Yes.


I'd like to know if that is correct, that he could basically smooth out the pine needles and twigs to improve his drop area. Anybody hear anything different, please chime in.
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Sunday May 14, 2017 7:43 PM
There was a rules official right there...
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Sunday May 14, 2017 7:44 PM
There was an official right there while he was doing it, too.

If that were one of my pals, I would say enough it enough. Looks like cheating to me.

On the other hand, he hit a great shot from there! I thought it might go in.

Matt, we posted almost at the same time; you beat me to it!

[[Edited by kviser on Sunday May 14, 2017 7:52 PM]]
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Monday May 15, 2017 1:52 AM
Yep, he was within the Rules outlined in this Golf Digest article:

http://www.golfdigest.com/story/players-championship-2017-why-ian-poulter-was-allowed-to-move-all-that-pine-straw-before-his-drop

As long as he did not remove any loose soil. Good Rule to know if you're dropping in pine needles and the like.

[[Edited by sngernz on Monday May 15, 2017 1:52 AM]]
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Monday May 15, 2017 8:13 AM
might be time to invest in a small battery operated leaf blower.
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Monday May 15, 2017 10:08 AM
Let's get picky.

Poulter acted within the rules, apparently, but what he did changed the nature of the playing surface he was on. I think that should be the determining factor.

If you drop in the fairway, you can move lose impediments in the drop area, but the nature of the drop zone is still 'fairway'.

Same for rough - you can move loose impediments prior to dropping, but the underlying surface is still rough.

The area where Poulter dropped is normally maintained as 'pinestraw'. It's under the overhanging pine/etc. trees, and that's what covers the dirt. That area is not 'maintained' by blowing all the loose pine needles away on a regular basis - pine needles are the default playing surface in that area.

So in clearing away some of the existing playing surface (but he didn't 'move' any dirt), he acted within the rules, but I maintain that he altered the 'normal' playing condition of that area where he dropped.

JMHO. (Unbelievable 4th shot there followed!!)

[[Edited by dconnally on Monday May 15, 2017 12:13 PM]]
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