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This course is lush! It reminds me of courses out in the mid-west where grass thrives in the spring and summer. The Velcro like grass in So. Cal. makes it tougher to play out of and judge predictability of outcome with short game compared to mid-west. At 80 miles from my house, it was worth the drive. The layout is fabulous and non-repetitive. Just about every hole requires thought and strategy. On some par 4's it is absolutely essential to be in the fairway. (5, 12, 15, and par 5 18th) The greens were a bit slow but that will change heading into summer. Any hole going uphill goes uphill more than you think. (2, 6, 7, 12, 15, and 18) This is a course you can play over and over and never grow tired of it. I wish it was 8 miles not 80. :(:(:(
There are many things good and bad about this course. Good: greens are nice, a fun layout where mistakes can really cost you, you must be straight off the tee/have solid iron play hitting to these small greens/and have touch and imagination around the greens. A teenager that can stay out of trouble and score here has already a solid game. Therefore even though Knollwood is not long its a great course to develop your game. Bad: The starter today was lousy, poor customer service and chaos early this morning, There are too many bare spots in the rough and around the green i.e. lots of awkward lies pace of play in afternoon has got to be horrible.....I think I'd rather play Balboa
I got lucky today. The men's club cancelled. I got a crazy Saturday on line deal. I loved playing here when it was a military only course and still love playing here as a public course. The conditions are above average everywhere out here. Although the greens are not pool table smooth, the ball still will hold its line fairly well. I never was in a bunker but the ones I saw looked very nice. The best part might the fairways. I got many good lies in the fairway today. Some of the once ponds have now become waste areas. The "Tiger Tree" on 18 is 343 yards from the back tees. Yes, I could reach it.:)....from the ladies tees :(
The fairways are all dried out right now. They must have had a situation with the sprinkler system. The greens unfortunately have not recovered well from being punched. They are slow with bumps and oscillations in the balls roll towards the hole. They are very green and lush , however. Just not smooth. Right now is more reminiscent of a cow pasture and not a golf course. Even the geese were thirsty.
How I wish this course was closer to my house. This is an old school style course that just opened to the public. If you are a beginner or high handicapper you may be culture shocked at these things...1. fairways are narrower than a typical muni course 2. more comes into play off the tee, and around the greens 3. rough is a little higher 4. greens have more slope 5. there are no fences to keep your ball from going OB I didn't play well but I love this layout. Anytime a course is walkable, fun, and challenges your ball striking is a keeper. I heard someone had their clubs stolen from a kid right off the cart, thrown in a car and they sped away. The area is nice surrounding the course but be aware that with no fences a kid could run out and take your clubs. Everything condition wise is nice nice nice!!
This course like the North is a fantastic fun layout. But....It is spoiled by always playing off hardpan. Almost all approaches require high lofted shots. It is very hard to do that with no grass under the ball and hard ground. Some of the bunkers needed all of my strength to get the ball out. Fluffy wet sand is simply brutal. It is not just here but at many desert courses the course designers need to take into account cart traffic creating hard ground from which to play. Something is wrong when you rather be in rough where there is some grass under the ball. Maybe in the winter the ground is softer? But I can't afford the rates.
This course can lull you to sleep. It is not as easy as it appears. A water hazard can sneak up on you. There are several 3 putt possibility tough greens as well. As previously noted the fairways are a bit thin. It is hard to avoid this with all the cart traffic. Otherwise the course is in very good shape. Take advantage of the easier and shorter front 9. Holes 12 thru 15 are all solid par 4's. Definitely an amen corner stretch of holes. 14 has got to be in the top 10 of tough par 4's in the Coachella Valley. It is 465 yards, with water left of the green that wraps around the back and back right of green. The seniors I played with said that they liked this 18 over the Santa Rosa 18. I did not play that side because 9 holes are closed for new irrigation.
Well what a unique experience. There is much to write about. This review may be the longest one I type. This course was once Meadow Lake. In order to conserve water they have shortened the layout, rerouted some holes, even eliminating holes and reduced the rough by a large amount. I have mixed feelings about this. I appreciate courses trying to conserve water and reduce costs in this challenging golf economy right now but I think they over did it. There are some very difficult, if unfair holes out here. Number 6 has no fairway to hit. The fairway is tiny, slopes left to right and there is a bunker in the ideal spot to be. From the tee you must aim at the trees on the left and hope for the best. Number 14 is very similar only with OB. From the blacks on number 17 is simply diabolical. It is a huge carry to the fairway where anything right is trees and anything left is hardpan desert or a hole or a bush or water. Speaking of which if not on grass you will see crazy bounces and rikashays. I hit a tree(about 160 yards from tee) on 8 and with no grass to slow it down it bounced back towards me about 100 yards. What would have been a 250+ yard drive ended up being 60 yards. It was funny. The par 5 5th and 18th have no space for your second shot in the fairway. I had 8 penalty strokes. My ball trickled forever into the OB abyss twice, I lost a ball in ice plant just off the fairway, and I lost my swing.
On a positive side, I do appreciate the difficulty out here. To navigate this course requires patience, decent ball striking and lots of course knowledge.
As far as conditions go they were ok. Some greens where soft while others firm. The nicest part other than the great hamburgers and beer!! here was the putting green. It is immaculate. Hopefully the rest of the course can like the putting green. The tiny fairways are in nice shape.
The SCGA raters did a horrible job giving this a 116 from the blacks. The 67.3 rating is about right. Its a short course. But 116?? no way. It should be 126.
Unless you are very straight, it is best to play more forward tees or to leave the Driver at home. But what about 17th tee?? OK bring the driver.....
I expected more dry conditions before coming here. The recent rains have help all courses especially this one. While not lush by any means the fairways were thin but at least not dried out as I heard they were. The greens were good. Some of them have ugly bare spots. But these are few in number. My ball stopped on such a spot on 10 but I moved it a foot to the left to putt. Yep, I declared it ground under repair. This layout in fun. You have difficult narrow holes. You have forced carries in excess of 200 yards (black tees) on 2 holes. You have an equal amount of downhill and uphill holes. And there are what you see is what you get less adventurous holes. If you can keep it in play on 10, 11, and have struck your ball well! I sincerely hope this course can continue to be playable. It deserves it.
Don't let the 5827 yards fool you. You have to golf your ball out here. Houses come into play on several holes. Water is in play on three holes. 17 is a fantastic risk/reward par 5. The fairways were just a little thin to my liking. This is due to cart damage and can't be helped. Criticism ends here. The course is in great shape. The texture of sand in the bunkers is perfect. It is much easier to play out of PGA tour like bunkers where you have a cushion for the club to bounce rather than dig. Woodhaven doesn't have the glamour of PGA West, or La Quinta but if you are looking for a fun course in great condition you can't go wrong here.
Balboa has it where it counts..the greens They are in great shape. The rest of the course is decent. It is not immaculate. But the fee is not $200 as well. Trees come into play more on this side compared to Encino side. It is why I enjoy the layout slightly more on this side. The difficulty of the nines are quite apparent. The front nine is tougher and longer. There are a lot of ground under repair areas where trees have fallen on both courses. The driving range is in shambles. You will get inconsistent lies in the rough around the greens. Or maybe I need to practice my short game more...not time
Nice to get out and play Mr. Hansen after a 14 year layoff. Nice to get out and play period. Putts MUST be struck well out here. Any slight off center hit and the ball will tumble instead of roll true sending it on a line you never could have imagined. Why? There is lots of Poa Anna. Lots of it. But overall the greens are in good shape. The rest of the course as well. Thank you L.A city for lowering your fees, having a re-play rate, and eliminating resident rates.
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