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Played on Saturday morning Feb 9th. Had not been to Willowick in over a year. It was so-so last spring. It didn't rain as much last year so the course was probably a bit more bare than it should have been, but the putting greens, despite the multi-colored nature, weren't too bad. They were smoother and faster than I had thought. With all the storms this year and yesterday morning, I didn't anticipate ideal conditions but I was a little disappointed with a few things. First the good: 1) friendly staff; 2) despite all the rain during the night, the greens were not slow which I appreciated. The bad: 1) No rakes in the sand traps! When there was one, it was the tiniest flimsiest one I've ever used; 2) one of the holes didn't even have a second set of tees; and another only had one of the pair; 3) graffiti on the walls - the only course I've ever seen graffiti. Willowick is not the greatest course on earth but it does have some interesting holes esp. with the huge bunkers covering the front of some of the holes and some of the pin placements on odd shaped greens can make a miss to the wrong side penal. There were enough of these factors that I did discuss a number of course management issues with a junior golfer I was playing with. I'm used to really excellent conditions at a private club, but I don't think a course has to be country club perfect. My priorities when playing at public courses are pretty simple: 1) greens that are not slow and somewhat smooth; 2) good coverage on fairways; I could care less about the rough because you shouldn't be there anyway. I'd like to add a few things after Willowick: rakes for all bunkers, tees for every tee, and no graffiti. I can live with terrible tee areas, but I don't want to be penalized for hitting into the fairway, and I want to be able to make some putts if I hit them well. Also, while I know I'm not in the greatest neighborhood, I don't want to be reminded of that with graffiti. Not having simple things like rakes and tees gives me the impression that the course operators don't care and so the course is likely to be worse the next time. Courses like Willowick and Los Amigos can be wonderful places to play for the general public. Just get a few things right.
10 Likes.
So disappointed. Played on Sunday January 20th. There weren't too many people around as there was a Rams playoff game. It had been awhile, probably over a year, since I had last played. In past years, the course had great fairways, bunkers with sand but terrible greens, so bad (SLOW and bumpy) I vowed never to come back. Then in 2017, we had heard that the greens were better, and they had indeed improved. Alas, this time we found the fairways to be very awful. There were so many bare spots. Shots in the fairway were rewarded with dirt lies. The staff was friendly; the bunkers were fine; the greens weren't as bad as I thought they would be. Very bumpy, but this is a public course. I don't see why they can't at least keep the fairways in good shape. Yes, it is winter, but there's no excuse for such terrible conditions. I'm back to avoiding this course.
7 Likes.
Played on Sunday March 18. Had not played at the course in 30 years so I was looking forward to playing, esp. after playing the Harding course a few times. The first few holes before you cross the street and the last few coming back are in okay shape but the holes in between are just awful. I have never seen such a bad gopher problem. It is so bad that I couldn't find my ball in the middle of the fairway. The gopher holes and mounds make it so bumpy that they can't cut the grass properly. Hence, my ball was hidden in rough length grass in the middle of the fairway! Note: you can take relief from gopher damage, but this is out of control. Gopher damage in the fairways happened many times. There are huge sections (like 20 yards by 20 yards sections) that are damaged. Harding is bad too but not this bad. I heard from regulars that they aren't allowed to use poison on the gophers. LA is so freakin' controlled by environmentalists (can't kill coyotes either). This is going to get worse and worse. It's too bad because the courses are kind of nice. I would certainly play there regularly if not for the gopher damage. Greens were so so. Some good. Some bumpy. I don't know about the bunkers as I did not hit into any of them. I don't mind gopher damage in the rough, but not in the fairway. I cannot recommend this course at all.
13 Likes.
Played on Oct 9. I had heard that Los Serranos was a terrific course and had intended to play it for a long time. I kept hearing how top amateur events were usually held there, etc. Unfortunately, when I first played it last year in 2016, the course was in awful shape. There were many bare spots and the bunkers were just dirt. I assumed that the drought just took its toll on the course like it did on so many other courses. However, after seeing how courses that were previously in awful shape were somewhat better after the past winter, I had high hopes for Los Serranos this time. Alas, I saw little to no improvement. I kept seeing the same old bare spots on the fairways, rough and even just a few yards from the greens. The bunkers remain just hard dirt, so hard that I saw shots roll right through and out of them. The range looked ugly and the balls were mostly old and dirty. On the plus side, the greens weren't too bad and the folks in the pro shop were friendly and gave us a good deal on range balls when a golf tournament delayed our tee time by over half an hour. We were a bit surprised by a cranky old course marshall who threatened us with a slow play warning a few holes in even though the next group behind us was on the tee on a par 5 and we were on the green. Something about 13 minutes a hole. We weren't upset by it since we expected to finish the round quickly with no one left on the course after the shotgun tournament and with all three of us being fairly decent golfers (scores ranging from 74 to 83). We just found the gentleman rather bizarre and oblivious to reality. Perhaps he wasn't doing his job during the tournament that caused our half hour delay in our starting time and was reprimanded. Whatever. We were able to finish the course in four hours just as the sun set so everything worked out just fine. I'm sure the course was once in great shape judging from the omnipresent 2012 Course of the Year signs, but this course appears to be resting on its laurels. It's too bad because it is a nice course with lots of interesting holes. Was the $36 or so I paid to play worth it? Probably, but definitely not worth any more than that given the conditions. However, if the conditions were terrific, I'd be happy to pay more than double that. I hope they will turn it around. At least start by designating bare spots as ground under repair and having grass at least five yards around the green and green side bunkers. It would certainly be nice if the bunkers had some sand instead of just hard dirt.
7 Likes.
I played this course back on Sept 10. I gave this course one of the worst reviews in 2016. I was pretty determined never to play this course again because the greens were so bumpy and slow. However, during the summer, while playing at Meadowlark, I remarked to a playing partner that Meadowlark had improved considerably since a couple of years ago. Surprisingly, he said that I should try Los Amigos because it was even better there. Lo and behold, he was right! The fairways and bunkers that were always a strong suit remained so, but the greens had gotten much better. Sure they were a little bumpy, but the green speed was adequate and the pace of play was fine. And the staff was again helpful and friendly. I was never a huge fan of the course layout (the doglegs are so short on the back 9 that I only get to use my driver once), but this course is a terrific deal under the improved conditions. My dad also likes it because it isn't too long and he feels he can shoot his age here! I will be back!
9 Likes.
We played this course back on Sunday April 9th. Played with my daughter and a HS golfer friend. Our first time at this course and we can honestly say we have never seen a course like that before. The course itself is not difficult. It is very flat and despite there being lakes on the course, remember the name of the course is Woodley Lakes, none of the lakes ever comes into play. Ditto with the bunkers. None of the green side bunkers ever comes into play because they were often at least 20 yards away from the greens. In fact, we didn't even notice the green side bunkers until we got to the green itself. We all shoot around 80 or under so we never found the sand unless it was in the fairway. The greenside bunkers were so far away that golfers were parking their carts between the greens and the bunkers! That said, the greens were rock hard and fairly fast. I know they were aerated shortly afterwards but if they get back to the conditions we experienced, they are quite acceptable. The fairways were okay. I didn't experience any bald spots but the grass was getting a little thin in spots. So the greens and fairways were fine, but, as mentioned, the course never puts any fear into you. I remember feeling rather anxiety free after a few holes. It was weird. In retrospect, we all should have scored better. The pace of play wasn't horrible for being in the middle of the city, probably around the 5 hour mark. They said they were redoing the driving range; the practice greens were okay; they even had what looked to be so so chipping areas although we never used them. If you want to take someone to boost their confidence, this course is it. I liked just taking out my driver and booming it. If Alondra closer to home had Woodley's greens and overall course conditions, I would play it frequently, but both courses suffer from uninspired course design and Woodley is a bit too far for us to want to play it again. My daughter decided she didn't want to play the tournament to be held there in May because she liked the challenge of another course playing on the same day. Nonetheless, if we wanted to go and give a friend a confidence boost, we wouldn't mind joining them.
9 Likes.
Played this course back on Thursday April 20th. I can honestly say that I never intended to go back to this course after playing it in 2016. The drought had really taken a toll. There were bare spots all over the place and the pace of play was awful. However, my daughter had a junior tournament so we decided to get a practice round in. Actually, we didn't even intend to get a whole 18 in as we teed off at just after 3. We managed to get in before the HS boys matches and to our wonderful surprise we got done in 3.5 hours! Hadn't had one of those since our home club closed down for a total redesign. The starter was even shocked so I'm guessing that never happens. The pace of play greatly contributed to our good scores that day. We also found the course benefitting greatly from the winter rains. The fairways were okay this time and we actually found rough that was actually long grass at times. I had no bunker shots so I can't comment on them. The greens were okay. A little bumpy maybe. Our main complaint was that they were too slow, slower than the practice green. My daughter didn't want to practice at the Los Verdes greens closer to home afterwards because she said she didn't want to lose the feel for the slower greens at Dad Miller. This is probably the biggest reason why we wouldn't go back to play this course. If the greens were the same speed as the practice green, it would be fine but we prefer not getting used to slow greens. She's getting better (we shot 75 and 76) so the trend will be towards playing tournaments at tougher courses and faster greens. We also liked the driving range. The quality of the balls are pretty good and it is graded so that you can see where the ball lands. The green fees were a little on the pricey side for a course of this caliber, but they make a compelling case for their membership program that gives you decent discounts but also includes discounts at Anaheim Hills. If I lived in the area and the greens were a little quicker and I knew they were going to maintain the fairways so they wouldn't get any worse than what we experienced, I would buy the membership in a heartbeat. The course itself isn't that hard if you can hit it fairly straight. The trees are getting bigger so errant drives will be penalized. There is always an easy side to a green and most greens are pretty easy. Course management comes into play on the back 9 as you should avoid using your driver on a couple of par fours and you really need to avoid hitting your second shot as far as you can on the 15th hole, the par 5 with water. I've hit driver pitching wedge pitching wedge on that hole for easy pars. Some other pros: no more coyotes. Some other cons: too many gopher holes.
10 Likes.
My HS daughter and I played on Saturday April 29th. I played from the blues and she played from the yellow or ladies tees because the junior tournament the next day was playing from those tees. Overall, the course conditions were ok. Some of the tee boxes were rock hard and I actually broke a tee just trying to tee it up. Hint: look for existing tee holes. Fairways were fine. I didn't have any bare spot lies. I didn't have any bunker shots so I can't comment on them, but they appeared to be somewhere between hard dirt and country club white sand. The greens were kind of bumpy but acceptable, just short of having no confidence of making any putts. However, my daughter made 4 birdie putts the next day so I'm pretty sure she was okay with them. The course itself is not that long but it requires some course management. You can't just yank out your driver on every hole. As I recall the short fourth hole requires you to leave it about 80 yards short of the green. You can easily hit your drive through the dog legs on many of the holes. Some of the greens are also much more sloped than you think and it is highly advisable to leave the shot below the hole. I'd probably like one more shot at the course and I'm pretty sure I would hit a couple of more tee shots with my 3 wood instead of my driver. I wouldn't play this course if it were my choice but I wouldn't turn it down if I were invited. The two real complaints I have would be the gopher holes all over the place and the poor condition of the range balls. The balls were much better two months ago. Pace of play was over 5 hours starting at about 1:30 but it got better as the day went along so I don't think it got to the "I will never go back to this d%mn course!" 6 hour mark. Middle of LA so what do you expect. Look forward to playing the longer Wilson course some time. PS. My daughter shot a one under the next day so I'm sure she has nice things to say about the course.
11 Likes.
We played this course on 7/6. Just an outstanding experience! Our home course is currently under reconstruction so we've mostly played public courses in the interim. Skylinks and Rio Hondo have been our go to courses when we want some relief from the lousy munis that my daughter's tournaments are held at and we have to go play a practice round. Old Ranch was a reminder of how great a private club can be: friendly staff, good looking facilities, nice driving range, terrific pace of play and immaculate course conditions. The layout is not tremendously difficult, but it is certainly difficult enough. All three of us who played (low to middle single digit handicaps) would probably describe the course as enjoyable. If the course were a little closer, I might have joined for a couple of years until our own course was back. If you are thinking of joining a private club, you should really consider this course.
10 Likes.
2ND WORST GREENS I'VE EVER PLAYED ON. Played on 7/21 in the afternoon. Had not played here in awhile, probably about a year or more. The biggest reason was the greens, and afterwards it remains the biggest reason not to play at this oh so promising course. The greens were easily worse than I remembered and might rank as the second worst greens I have played on in my life. The worst was Chester Washington about 15 years ago, when I vividly recalled a flattened dandelion in front of my putt. The greens at Los Amigos were ungodly slow and bumpy. There is also no fringe to speak of. You have to wonder if the folks who run this course know what golf is. There are also square patches here and there. Some greens also look like they are going to die they are so brown. I did not expect exquisite greens like I experienced at Old Ranch recently, but Chester Washington greens feel like heaven compared to Los Amigos'. And just two days ago, we played the front 9 at Alondra and those would be a relief compared to Los Amigos. If you play at Los Amigos, you obviously don't care at all about putting and you must play quick because your playing partners are used to giving you the putt if it is anywhere near several feet of the hole. Sorry folks, but if you are used to Los Amigos' greens you don't know anything about golf or don't give a s___ about putting. You really should just stop playing at Los Amigos to get the point across that the putting greens are unacceptable. It really pains me to say such harsh things here because this course has so much potential. They've really done a nice job with the fairways. The tee grounds are very uneven, but they use real sand in the bunkers. They have a nice practice area and the range has decent golf balls. You can see where your ball lands on the range. The guy in the pro shop was nice too. But after a handful of holes, it really becomes unbearable. At best, Los Amigos is a practice course. You get to hit tee shots and shots from a halfway decent fairway, but putting at Los Amigos is an absolute joke and I actually made several long putts. If Los Amigos had Victoria's greens, it would be one of the nicest courses around. Personally, I will probably never come back until I hear from someone I know that the greens have improved. The Golf Gods would probably be angry with such greens.
8 Likes.
We played on Friday 6/24/16. After playing here in February for a practice round for my daughter's junior tournament, I kind of swore off this place, and, although she won the tournament, we both decided the course conditions were awful and never wanted to go back. The fairways were probably the worst we've seen all year anywhere although the greens were okay. Well, I guess you can never say never. We agreed to take a friend of my daughter's to play there because she also has a tournament coming up and had never played there before. A couple of the holes on the back 9, 12 and 15, are kind of tricky in that you just can't hit your next shot without considering exactly how far to hit (see their nice app). We are pleased to report that conditions have improved. The fairways are much greener. Earlier in February, it felt like every other shot in the fairway barely had any grass under it and the rough was basically dirt. Although the fairways are in better shape, they are terribly inconsistent. #8's fairways looked like they haven't improved at all. Others looked like they were just aerated and we got some unlucky lies in unrepaired divots. In certain respects, it is almost easier to hit off flat bare spots. The rough was decent, although some spots they're going overboard on the watering it seems. And then there are holes with way too many gopher holes and mounds (#10). I don't care too much about tee boxes other than they should be fairly flat, and some of them weren't. At the edges, you're almost falling backwards. The greens were a lot bumpier than we remembered although the speed was only slightly slower than we're used to. The bunkers were inconsistent. I was in two of them. One was hard (#14 green side; bunker is damaged or looks like crap on the back end.); the other was okay for a public course – not the nice white sand but sandy dirt (#8 green side ). POP was 4.5 hours starting around 2:15 so not bad. I rode and the two girls walked and we kept up with a somewhat mediocre foursome riding in carts ahead of us. It was not crowded. Otherwise, it's going to be an hour or more longer like it was in February during the weekend. My last thoughts are that this course has a lot of beginners or inexperienced golfers who just don't fix divots and ball marks. They really should educate them. They also let a lot of branches stick out way too far into the fairways to make the tee shots tougher. They really need to cut those. They don't need to make this course tougher. It is what it is. It's not a tough track overall. Let the 20 handicappers play on a course with decent conditions and have a good time. One last thing: this course is not great for left to right golfers like me. They really let the trees grow (and the aforementioned branches that stick out) on the left side on the many dogleg lefts. Anyway, unless my daughter comes up with another friend who can use some advice during a practice round for a tournament, or conditions are overwhelmingly good at least, we are not coming back to this course. I paid $49 and it wasn't worth it. I'm a 5 index, and I would prefer to pay say $20-$30 extra to play at a decent course. If the cost was $35, it might not be too bad in terms of value I suppose. Positives: Again, although they have a way to go, the improvement in the fairways was promising; the folks in the pro shop were friendly; they have a helpful app.
18 Likes.
While not great, some pleasant surprises when we played on Sunday, Feb 28, 2016. We played this course last fall, and the conditions were awful. Bare spots galore and the greens had weird repair jobs (patching up bare spots with cup cutouts). And, of course, the infamous 6 hour round. However, this time the fairways were much improved (okay - not great, the truly bare spots appeared to be confined to the rough) and the greens were in nice condition, save a few bumpy greens. There were also fewer ball marks on the greens. Pace of play wasn't great. We just assumed it would be a six hour round, especially since there were fivesomes for seemingly every group, including ours. For whatever reason though, the pace picked up and didn't have to wait for a shot after the 10th hole after waiting to play for the entire front 9. The estimated time of play was about five and a half hours instead of six. Given the improved fairways and greens, I might be okay with playing Lakewood more often if I can be assured of a less than 5.5 hour rounds. About the only negative were the bird droppings on the first two tees. It was disgusting teeing off on 1 and 2. Almost of forgot, when I called to see if I can fit in another player in our threesome, I was told that a twosome had been already paired with us. The started offered to see if the twosome could be persuaded to join another group. We declined the offer, but I was pleased by their helpfulness.
12 Likes.
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