Played The Ike on the afternoon of Friday 25th July. Knew the fairways had been aerated so was expecting them to be rough. However was not prepared for how rough and slow the greens turned out to be. Even allowing for us playing at twilight they were very, very disappointing.
As usual the pace of play was hideous and the Marshalls did not seem to be remotely interested in speeding them up. Far too many inexperienced golfers playing from the tips. Love both these courses but poor greens and slow play means I'd hesitate to go back soon.
At least they finally opened the bar downstairs.

First time playing the Babe and enjoyed it very much. Definitely a course where you benefit from having seen it before. Shame the groups of occasional golfers decided to see every corner of the course on their slow trek round.

Very happy with the condition of all aspects of the course. Greens were in much better shape than those on the Ike when I played it last August. Some tough pin positions as you would expect but shot even par for the last 14 holes after a shaky start.

Overall, the $85 green fee felt like pretty good value. Highly recommended.

Played Friday 29 Feb. Pace of play as slow as ever.
Course not really in bad shape, but greens were very strange. Surface was soft but underneath really firm. Chip shots were bouncing through the greens - not much fun given where some of the holes were cut.

As mentioned elsewhere, layout is nice although there is no space left around the course after all the house building. No range, no practice area.

What really lets them down is the quality of the greens. Even allowing for all the rain that has fallen recently, they are very, very poor in places. Others were just shaggy and slow. What's worse, the holes were often cut right in the middle of the damaged areas. Some tee boxes were in bad shape too, sandy and covered in divots. Fairways not at all bad, with the exception of the 9th which looks like a dirt track half way down - great reward for a long straight drive.

At present, I'd give this place a miss unless the green fee was under $25.

Played 1/19/08. Good conditions with a bit of breeze. Course in fine condition although the greens look a bit strange. Lots of light and dark patches, however they putt much better than they look. Nice change to play a course that makes you think about your tee shot, rather than just pull out the driver and wail away.

Biggest complaint were some joke pin positions, especially on hole number two. This course has enought about it tee to green so that they do not need pin placements where it is almost impossible for the ball to come to rest within 5 feet of the hole. Most of my fellow players saw well hit approaches and even short chips run a long way past the hole or even off the green. At least half of the SoCal courses I have played do similar things. Golf is meant to be challenging, but it is also meant to be fair so that a good shot is rewarded and a bad shot is punished. Round here, bad drives go unpunished and a well hit approach shot ends up 50 feet from the pin because the pin is cut int he Himalayan foothills. Far too many courses seem to be run by people who think that course length and green speed = good course.

In summary though, I would definitely recommend a visit to CrossCreek, especially on one of their deals, but not if you are going to demand a refund because you didn't get to hit 14 tee shots with your driver.

Played 1/5/08 after heavy rain. Sand traps were still mini ponds so not really fair to rate them. Considering the rain that had fallen so recently the course was in pretty good shape. Greens ran pretty smooth, most of the water had drained although we did play lift and place. Big plus was the place was empty - locals must have been hiding from the rain that didn't come till after we finished.

They may advertise this as being a Scottish type layout but during my 26 years living in Scotland I never saw anything like this. Very nice fairways and tees and greens not too bad either.

However, the course is severely lacking any features. Tee to green was, for the most part, just a wide expanse of flat grass. Just seemed to be a collection of very similar, long, straight holes. Also no definition between fairway and green. Had there not been a regular in our group we would have had severe trouble identifying which green we should be aiming at. No yardages on the tees, no diagrams of the hole to tell you which direction to aim (unless you pay $5 for the strokesaver in the pro shop). Seems to me like they made a good start on this course but the designers either gave up half way or ran out of money.

No marshalls spotted so, thanks to the usual inconsiderate, "its all about me" 4 ball in front, we didn't even get to finish the round. Course officials came out to collect the flags just after sundown, shepherding people off the course. Never seen anything like it before. And when we got back to the clubhouse and tried to return the rental set, the pro shop was locked up and the only guy who had the keys was out collecting the flags. He had also overcharged us for our green fees earlier and only grudgingly gave us the correct money back.

Cheap green fees do not make this place value for money.

Diseased greens are an occupational hazard for golf courses and, if it is true that Yucaipa was only recently hit, they should be able to get them back pretty quickly.
However, there is no excuse for some of the ugliest, bumpiest tee boxes I have seen in a long time. They seemed to be worst on the par 3s too. Cannot understand why they would allow them to get in that state.
Between the tees and the greens the course was in pretty good shape but if I had paid more than the $25 green fee I would have felt pretty short changed.

Played Oak Valley on a cold and wet SoCal day - first time I have played in conditions like that on this side of the Atlantic. They have real rough too - so when you miss the fairway there is actually a price to pay. Best greens of any course I have played this year, including private courses and Palm Springs resort courses.

This is a challenging course from the blues and sloping, small greens offer small targets. Not easy to read either. Soft fairways meant the par 5s were all but out of reach in less than 3 shots so no 2 putt birdies either.

Suffice to say I live 90 miles from this course and would not hesitate to go back.

My mother always told me that if I didn't have anything good to say about something I shouldn#t say anything at all, but in this case I'll make an exception.

Previous post is entirely correct if a little short on details. I had played Black Gold at the end of July and was quite looking forward to playing it again (on Friday 12 Oct). Place has gone downhill faster than a rock off a cliff. Fairways are just gone. Got to the stage where we were aiming for th semi rough just to get a half decent lie.

Greens were never great in the first place, and they have not imporved. Covered in pitch mark, half of which have not been repaired.
Tees were average at best.

They have a sign in the pro-shop saying "Black Gold guarantees a 5 hour round". What it should say is that your round is not going to be less than 5 hours.

As compensation for the state of the course we were each given 3 Nike Power Distance balls on the first tee. $1 off would have been more useful than balls I'd never use.

Guess I don't really need to say if I'll be back soon.

Played here for the first in September after we'd had the rain storms. Other than some heavy footmarks on a the greens the course was in very good shape. Tees, fairways and rough all well maintained.
They have made very good use of the geographical features.

We played from the blues which put some of the par 5s within comfortable reach in two. Quite a few a the par 4s were only a lob wedge for second shot too. The 14th is obviously the standout par 3 but a couple of the others were good holes too.

Would certainly recommend a visit based on this round.

Enjoyed this round at Eagle Glen. Always more fun when you score well. Some nice holes, some others less memorable. Par 5s were generous, par 3s more tricky. Nice closing hole that is really a long par 4 from every tee except the tips.