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Played here Sunday, 9/16 at 1:50 using the free round they emailed me. Valet, check-in, cart attendants and on-course personnel all very friendly and ... » More
Played here Sunday, 9/16 at 1:50 using the free round they emailed me. Valet, check-in, cart attendants and on-course personnel all very friendly and efficient. They paired me with a single from Georgia, and a twosome, one of which was a local and his friend from Chicago. All nice guys and fun to play with. We played the blue tees. Started right on time and POP was decent, right around 4:30 total. Front was good but on the back the group directly in front of us was a little slow, but there's plenty of gorgeous scenery to admire while waiting to hit shots out here. I chose the 1:50 time because I knew it would find me playing the back nine as the sun set, and the whole course looked amazing in that late afternoon sunlight. It was warm and clear with a little haze/cloud cover concealing parts of Catalina and the horizon line, but otherwise a beautiful day.
Conditions are very good. Greens are smooth, semi-firm and very healthy. Green speeds are fast; very fast if downhill at all. The only putts you could really hit hard were putts up a severe slope. Everything else is a touch putt. Fairways were good, a few discolorations here and there, but overall very nice to play from. The rough was a slight step down from the fairways with occasional clumps and dead spots between the clumps. Otherwise lush grass and often sticky. I didn't get much roll on the fairways or the rough, which makes the 6,200 yard blues play long, especially when the narrowness often makes "less than driver" the best play off the tee. Bunkers were good but would be fantastic with just a little more sand. Tee boxes were good. Overall, nothing is immaculate right now but everything is very solid and enjoyable to play.
This was my second time here. The knocks on the layout is that it's repetitive (back and forth) and very narrow in spots. I feel that's true for the first seven holes, but the rest is pretty darn good. I think the entire back nine is a lot of fun and the views are hard to beat. I want to play the tips sometime but I'd have to hit the ball much better than I did yesterday. This course will beat you up if you're not playing well, and I'm not talking only about the abundant ESA. I only lost two balls but the slopes on and around the greens can be very difficult.
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Played out here today with a 1:30 tee time for $12 through TeeOff.com. Arrived a few minutes before 1:00 and the pro shop guy said a threesome was on ... » More
Played out here today with a 1:30 tee time for $12 through TeeOff.com. Arrived a few minutes before 1:00 and the pro shop guy said a threesome was on the tee and if I was ready I should join them. So I went straight to the tee and teed off 30 minutes early. Our group was pretty slow and we lost sight of the people in front of us somewhere around the third hole. We finished in about 4:20 total. (Very little/no sense of urgency from two of the members of my foursome.) Gotta love the cool ocean breezes here, which often impacted shots this afternoon.
Conditions-wise, Shorecliffs is still Shorecliffs. Greens were decent. Grass was in good condition but lots of imperfections, so they were often bumpy. They ran about medium speed and accepted full shots very well. The two newer greens were tough to figure out. No. 7 looked fast and was fast. No. 10 looked fast but was slow. Fairways are mediocre. It's rare to get a really nice lie with cushion under the ball... mostly thin lies. Rough is a mixed bag, thick and gnarly in some areas and very spotty and thin in others. Tee boxes were poor... very beat up, not level. I wasn't in any bunkers but had one ball run through one; a playing partner commented that there wasn't much sand in one.
This was my first time here since they lost the 5th and 6th holes. I had seen the two new greens growing in the last couple times I played here, and the only difference now is they cut a hole and stuck a flag in them. There are no greenside bunkers on these holes or anything of interest. The course now plays to par 68. Also, the routing is very odd: After you finish the par-3 4th, you backtrack by driving all the way back down the 4th and 3rd holes and then drive down the street to the new 5th (which was formerly the 7th). It seems they've also cleared out some areas between around the ditch that separates the 9th (former 10th) and 18th and the 10th (former 11th) and the 17th. Overall, decent for an extreme "deal" price but hard to recommend otherwise.» Close
When I checked in to San Gorgonio, the pro shop guy booked my UnderPar deal “replay” round at Santa Rosa for me around 11:30. So after I finished, I d... » More
When I checked in to San Gorgonio, the pro shop guy booked my UnderPar deal “replay” round at Santa Rosa for me around 11:30. So after I finished, I drove over there (they have separate clubhouses maybe a mile apart). It was pretty busy around 10:00, so I decided to go eat some breakfast and came back around 11:00. There was a group on the first hole, so I chipped for a while and then headed to the first tee, but another single beat me to the tee. He disappeared very quickly, though, so pace was fine. I played through a couple groups and later let a very quick single play through me. Total POP was similar to the morning on San Gorgonio, around 2:30. Very hot and not as picturesque in the midday sun.
Course conditions on Santa Rosa are maybe just a tiny bit below San Gorgonio. The greens are very lightly sanded on Santa Rosa, but it didn’t affect any of my putts. Smooth, medium speed, firm but accepted full shots well. Fairways were excellent, except a few burned out spots. Rough was great, some easy to deal with and some thicker areas. Black tee boxes were good. Again, I was only in one fairway bunker, and it was nice.
I’d played here a couple years ago on a rainy day with SBogey, CPennbo and bsparks1961. Enjoyed it then and enjoyed it again today. Like I said in my San Gorgonio review, I think I prefer San Gorgonio slightly, but they’re both solid courses. Very wide fairways, but I still sprayed two tee balls OB on Santa Rosa today, so it’s not entirely forgiving. Lots of water hazards and lots of very large, nice-looking bunkers.
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Played here this morning. I used an UnderPar voucher for a single that included a replay… amazing deal for $27. (It’s even cheaper per person if you h... » More
Played here this morning. I used an UnderPar voucher for a single that included a replay… amazing deal for $27. (It’s even cheaper per person if you have a twosome.) I didn’t book a tee time but I knew there were plenty of single spots available this morning. I showed up a bit before 7:00 and was pretty much sent straight to the first tee by the super-friendly pro shop attendant. I played through a group on the second/third holes and had smooth sailing after that. Pace was about 2:30, playing by myself. Weather was hot but pretty breezy, which helped a lot.
Conditions are surprisingly excellent for late August. Greens are smooth, medium-fast and firm, yet they accept full shots very well. They’re just a tiny bit crusty in spots, but overall very impressive for late Summer. The fairways are even better. Like the greens, there are sporadic dry spots, but my ball never ended up on any of those spots and I had near-perfect lies all day. The rough is also good, maybe a bit more dried out on some holes. Rough depth varied from short to semi-thick in spots. Tee boxes were good. I was only in one bunker, a fairway bunker on 18, and it was very nice.
I played Santa Rosa a couple years ago but hadn’t played here before today. The course looked absolutely fantastic in the early morning sunlight, and I enjoyed the layout a lot. Very wide fairways, pretty flat (although often tiered) greens and some very attractive bunkering. There are a ton of water hazards; many holes have small lakes/ponds right in front of the tee box, but only really factor in if you hit a terrible shot. It feels like the kind of water hazard that scares the crud out of you as a beginner, but as a seasoned player, you barely even notice them. San Gorgonio has a couple holes on the back that are sorta boring and feel “less than” the rest of the course, but overall I think I preferred this course to Santa Rosa (which I played on my replay).
Overall very impressive conditions and a fun layout. Only minor bummer is that the course didn’t really live up to its name because the Coachella Valley was very hazy/smoky today, and the mountains were barely visible compared to the norm.
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Played here at 7:12 Tuesday morning, 8/14 with rob1563. Great fun and thanks to Rob for getting me the OB Sports rate! We got sent to the tee early bu... » More
Played here at 7:12 Tuesday morning, 8/14 with rob1563. Great fun and thanks to Rob for getting me the OB Sports rate! We got sent to the tee early but a few groups were stacked up waiting to start, so we began right on time. Hot temps but tolerable. Service was good and beverage cart came around a couple times. Pace was good at just over 4:00.
I found the conditions to be surprisingly good for mid-August. I'll get the bad out of the way first: A few greens are starting to dry out, resulting in some occasional dead spots. Fairways are a little spotty sometimes and browned out in some areas. But otherwise, I thought things were quite good considering the time of year. Greens held full shots well and rolled mostly smooth about medium speed. Fairways and rough had good coverage. I wasn't in any greenside bunkers but the fairway bunkers I was in were good. Tee boxes were decent, a little inconsistent but fine.
Design-wise, I felt the course felt similar to nearby Badlands (RIP) and TPC Las Vegas, but lacking some of the drama those courses deliver(ed). Like those courses, it offers some great mountain views. The desert areas at Angel Park aren't too severe, and it seems you can often find your ball and play it. Overall, it's a decent mid-range option in the Vegas area, but not a "destination"-type layout you'll remember vividly.
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