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Nickesquire
GK Cup 15: Rules of competition guidelines
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“Pool play” will begin February 1, 2020, under the following guidelines:

This is a handicapped, match-play event.

ONLY GK Scoretracker indexes are allowed. If you have another format you use to track your scores, input all your scores into the GK Scoretracker and establish a GK Scoretracker index.

A minimum of 10 rounds in the GK Scoretracker from 1/1/2019 to present will be required to establish eligibility to participate in GK Cup 15. If you have a current GHIN index you can simply post those scores into the GK Scoretracker using the option Post Scores (Scorecard). Other handicaping methods will no longer be accepted. You can retroactively enter in scores in the GK Scoretracker to establish your Scoretracker index. You are not required to post hole by hole results, just the score, course, tees played and date. No GK Scoretracker index, no participation in the GK Cup.

Six matches maximum per participant. One player v. one player per match. (Multi players matches were not favored by the majority of the participants)

Matches to be scored on a 3 point system.

1 point for the winner of the front 9. There are no carryover or tiebreakers, so if the front 9 ends AS, then both participants earn ½ point.

1 point for the winner of the back 9 with the match starting even on hole 10 for back 9 scoring purposes. There are no carryover or tiebreakers, so if the back 9 ends AS, then both participants earn ½ point.

1 point for the winner of the overall 18 hole match with no carryovers or tiebreakers. If the match is AS after 18, then both participants earn ½ point.

Therefore, the match could end in any of the following possible point totals for the 2 participants:

3 to 0

2.5 to .5

2 to 1

1.5 to 1.5

You can play any eligible opponent signed up. A maximum of six matches total, meaning you must play a different opponent in every "pool play" match with no rematches allowed. If the person is not an official GK Cup participant, the match results will not count.

Responsibility of the two participants to set up their match.

Pool play will end on May 31, 2020 with the top 4 point totals advancing to the semi finals. Tie breaker for advancement to the GK Cup 15 semi finals is the participant who attains their final total first will advance. Report your GK Cup 15 "pool play" match results in the GK forum for GK Cup 15 match results. Participants to determine who posts the match results. No post, then the match does not count.

Semi finals must be completed by June 30th.

GK Cup 15 final match will be set up by Greenskeeper in July.

Rules of Play:

USGA Match Play Rules apply.

In “pool play”, all competitors play their matches at a time/date/site mutually agreed upon between opponents. It is ALL competitor’s responsibility to be diligent and get their match(s) played before May 31. Point totals become official midnight, May 31. No exceptions.

All competitors are expected to post all rounds played and maintain a current GK Scoretracker index. You MUST USE the GK Scoretracker to play in this format. We ALWAYS use the most current index and competitors are expected to post every round in Scoretracker.

It is the responsibility of all competitors to have current and verifiable GK Scoretracker index information for their opponent. It is the responsibility of the match opponent to request and verify current GK Scoretracker index information. Screenshots that include the current GK Scoretracker index plus the date and place of the competitors most 20 current rounds are recommended. Preferably BEFORE the match so all parties can determine course handicaps and the stroke differences for each set of tees that may be utilized.

All competitors may play any set of tees they choose, with different tees adjusted according to their CDF (Course Difficulity Factor) ratings in the GK Scoretracker. All players will add the CDF of their tee box to their Scoretracker Index to determine their GK Cup Course Handicap. After tee box CDF and Scoretracker Index adjustments, the final result with a remainder of .5 or more always rounds up, .4 or less always rounds down so that each participant ends up with an even number. No rounding off until ALL steps are completed. That final result is the amount of strokes given or received between the match participants. The player with the higher result gets strokes on the 1-?? handicap holes according to the scoreard until that gap is even.

Example Same Tees:
Both players elect to play the same tees, which has a CDF of 73.1.
X has a 10.3 Scoretracker index.
X is 10.3 + 73.1= 83.4, rounds down to a 83.
Y has a 14.5 Scoretracker index.
Y is 14.5 + 73.1 = 87.6, Y rounds up to a 88.

Y gets 5 strokes total, 1 each on the 1-5 handicap holes on the scorecard.

Example Different Tees:
X has a 10.3 Scoretracker index and elects to play tees with a 74.5 CDF.
X is 10.3 +74.5 = 84.8, rounds up to an 85.
Y has a 14.5 Scoretracker index and elects to play tees with a lower 72.5 CDF.
Y is 14.5 + 72.5 = 87.

Y gets 2 strokes total, 1 each on the 1-2 handicap holes on the scorecard.

How to determine a tees CDF? Go onto the proper course in the GK Scoretracker in the post scores (Scorecard) section. Enter in the tees you desire to play, select 18 holes and act like you are going to enter in a score and it will bring up that tee boxes CDF. Repeat the process for the other set of tees used in your match.

Always use the CDF of the tees played AND each individual players GK Scoretracker index to calculate the strokes +/- in every match. Adding the individuals Scoretracker Index and the Tee boxes CDF should also provide a good indication of what each player could be expected to shoot on an average round from those tees.

Johnny GK will be posting an end of the month list of GK Scoretracker indexes for everyone participating in the GK Cup.



[[Edited by Nickesquire on Friday February 7, 2020 7:34 AM]]
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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Tuesday January 21, 2020 5:36 PM
QUOTED  All competitors may play any set of tees they choose, with course handicaps for tee differences adjusted accordingly. Step one, figure the course handicap based on the slope of the tees played. Step two, use course ratings from the tees played to adjust for the difference in tee boxes played. Players playing the higher rated tee box will have the difference added to their course handicap.



/raises hand

Why are we using USGA slope and course ratings to calculate a course handicap and not the CDF that the GK Scoretracker is based on?
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Tuesday January 21, 2020 7:30 PM
And unless I missed it somewhere, No GK Cup 15 repeat matches correct? I.E. once you and I play, then we can't play eachother again in pool play correct?
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Nickesquire
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Tuesday January 21, 2020 7:42 PM
QUOTED  No GK Cup 15 repeat matches correct? I.E. once you and I play, then we can't play eachother again in pool play correct?


Must play 6 different opponents, no rematches.

Could be a rematch in the semifinals or finals, but not in "pool play"
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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Nickesquire
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Tuesday January 21, 2020 8:02 PM
QUOTED  Why are we using USGA slope and course ratings to calculate a course handicap and not the CDF that the GK Scoretracker is based on?


Because I didn't think to change that when John proposed using only the GK Scoretracker is the simple answer.

I agree, what you said would make MUCH more sense and be easier to implement. See the revision. Good catch Matt!
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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Wednesday January 22, 2020 10:46 AM
NICK -

Please highlight the areas of the original 'guidelines' post that have been changed, per your comment above.
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Remember, we could be at work!!
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Nickesquire
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Monday February 3, 2020 3:05 PM
QUOTED  NICK -

Please highlight the areas of the original 'guidelines' post that have been changed, per your comment above.


Not using course ratings or slope for the GK Cup. All participants will use their GK Scoretracker index AND the CDF of the tees they play to determine their course handicap for the GK Cup.

[[Edited by Nickesquire on Monday February 3, 2020 4:44 PM]]
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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Thursday February 6, 2020 7:15 AM
Point differential? aka holes won differential?
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Thursday February 6, 2020 7:56 AM
Maybe the reporting would be more accurate if goal (holes won) differential mattered? First in seems quite arbitrary, just saying.
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Nickesquire
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Thursday February 6, 2020 7:59 AM
QUOTED  Point differential? aka holes won differential?


No, the point totals you win in matches. Has zero to do with how much you won by. You either won or you didn't.

A player could win 3 out of 3 points in a match you only won by 2 holes total if you won each side by exactly one hole. You get a point for the front you won by 1 hole, a point for the back you won by 1 hole and a point for the overall you won by 2 holes

Conversely, you could only win 2 out of a possible 3 points if you won all 9 holes on the front 9 and then lost the back 9 by 1 hole. You would be +8 on the overall match and win a point for the front and the overall. However, you still lost the back 9 and your opponent wins that point.

The idea is to make all 18 holes count as much as possible, with no extra holes allowed.

We needed a way to break potential ties should we have 2 players end up with the same amount of points on May 31. Let's say we have two players play 6 matches each and both win 11 of a possible 18 points in those matches. Player who accumulated the 11 points first advances or gets the higher seed. We don't have time for playoffs to break a tie. Plus, there is ZERO chance I am going to try and figure out how many holes are won in each match based on the thorough reporting by some and the sketchy reporting by others in their recaps.
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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