Click To View Golf Course Page

Discussions in --- Use This to POST ---
Moderated By CPennbo, JohnnyGK, Nickesquire, ringworld, weber2323

Forums
Greenskeeper.org
--- Use This to POST ---
Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
YOUR SETTINGSLIST FORUMSLIST TOPICSSEARCH

TOPIC: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

PRINT TOPICSEND THIS TO A FRIEND

Listing 1 to 10 of 12 Replies

PAGES: 2 1 2
1PLUS1
Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 27, 2007


Favorite Golfer:
    Seve; Nick Faldo
Favorite Golf Course:
    Belgrade Lakes (Maine)


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Wednesday March 15, 2017 7:25 PM
While perusing the reviews posted for the recent GK Guru Event at Eagle Falls, I took note of the numerous references to the lack of any on-course water coolers or drinking fountains. Taking the course's locale and inherent weather conditions into consideration, this just doesn't make any sense, especially for a facility that apparently spares no expense in order to provide top-notch playing conditions on a consistent basis. Perhaps what disturbs me most is the fact I alluded to this specific issue after a GK Event in April 2012 yet it continues to exist.

From 2012:

"My only other area of concern is the absence of water coolers on the course...this is totally unacceptable and potentially dangerous. Having to rely on the beverage cart for bottled water refills during the course of a round in 100+ degree temperatures is a recipe for disaster. Many people fail to properly hydrate themselves BEFORE setting foot on the golf course; feeling the effects of dehydration after 6 or 7 holes with no water available is NOT something I'd like to experience."

Providing a couple of 16.9 oz. bottles of water is hardly sufficient if one is going to stay hydrated while playing in the desert and being dependent upon a beverage cart for relief is certainly not in the best interest of the golfer either. The Indian Wells Golf Resort has figured it out...water coolers spaced every three holes...so what's Eagle Falls' excuse?
REPLY
 Message #82790
robule
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    July 4, 2003


Favorite Golfer:
    Couples, Ko, Day
Favorite Golf Course:
    N/A


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Wednesday March 15, 2017 9:38 PM
You would have to take up your issue with vector control in the area from what I was told.

Other cities in the area have water available around the courses, Indio isn't one of them.

As long as the courses are properly maintaining and cleaning the water jugs on a daily basis, they should be good to go, guess not. But that's Indio! LOL
REPLY
 Message #82793 - This was a reply to message #82790
kevbig
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 15, 2007


Favorite Golfer:
    Tiger Woods
Favorite Golf Course:
    Palmer Course- Turtle Bay


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Wednesday March 15, 2017 11:54 PM
If I'm playing in the desert, I know it's going to be hot and dry so I'm not relying on the course to keep me hydrated. While it's a nice touch on the part of those that do provide water, I'd rather not count on them. Safest bet is to bring your own and voila! Problem solved. And as far as I know doesn't Eagle Falls provide 2 bottles on the cart?

[[Edited by kevbig on Thursday March 16, 2017 2:07 PM]]

[[Edited by kevbig on Thursday March 16, 2017 2:07 PM]]
REPLY
 Message #82796 - This was a reply to message #82793
larryq2001
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
Member Since:
    April 19, 2003


Favorite Golfer:
    Ernie Els
Favorite Golf Course:
    Bailey Creek


RPGC MAIL USER EMAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Thursday March 16, 2017 8:11 AM
Couldn't agree more with kevbig. Can't rely on courses to keep me hydrated so I bring my own. I mean what courses around LA or OC provide water? None that I play. And yes, Eagle Falls did provide water bottles in ice in their cooler (4 bottles if I remember correctly). Coupled with the water I brought, there was plenty to go around.
REPLY
 Message #82797 - This was a reply to message #82796
abbacat
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    May 27, 2013


Favorite Golfer:
    N/A
Favorite Golf Course:
    N/A


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Thursday March 16, 2017 9:30 AM
I also brought several bottles of my own. I took advantage of all the bottles provided by the course so that I was able to save mine for the next 2 rounds. What I would have liked more of was shade!
REPLY
 Message #82798 - This was a reply to message #82797
1PLUS1
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 27, 2007


Favorite Golfer:
    Seve; Nick Faldo
Favorite Golf Course:
    Belgrade Lakes (Maine)


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Thursday March 16, 2017 4:03 PM
Just to clarify things, I was not suggesting nor implying that it is the responsibility/obligation of Eagle Falls...nor any other golf course for that matter...to provide water for everyone out there playing. I was merely drawing attention to the current on-course water situation and questioning why it exists. As Rob so kindly pointed out, this may be due to strict municipal rules and regulations that pertain to mosquito infestations, etc...mandates that I am unfamiliar with.

In fact, I noticed the City of Indio recently performed some aerial spraying due to a mosquito issue, so that may well be the root reason for this situation. That being acknowledged, I still believe there should be some water stations available and, judging from the reviews that were posted, there are others who feel the same. Whether or not you agree is not the point.

Along the same vein, I learned a long time ago that it's in my best interest to pack enough water and snacks to get me through a round of golf, despite the "No Outside Food or Beverages Allowed" policies enacted by so many courses today. Rather than rely on a halfway house or beverage cart, services that may not be operational at certain times of the day, the responsibility to stay hydrated and nourished falls on my shoulders and I'll take the blame if I'm unprepared.

Anyone who has played this game, especially under hot conditions, should realize the importance of proper hydration and its' role in helping to avoid a potentially life-threatening medical situation. It's good to see that many of you take the proper precautions.

[[Edited by 1PLUS1 on Thursday March 16, 2017 4:08 PM]]
REPLY
 Message #82800 - This was a reply to message #82797
robule
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation
GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    July 4, 2003


Favorite Golfer:
    Couples, Ko, Day
Favorite Golf Course:
    N/A


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Thursday March 16, 2017 5:39 PM
The thought process behind the no water is mind boggling.

5-6 five gallon water jugs located around the course are going to create a haven for mosquitoes. Don't forget about the stagnant water in some of those lakes, that's not an issue! Those water jugs are like a condo community for mosquitoes! It's making mountains out of molehills situation that somebody in a dept decided needing addressing to justify a job...

IIRC, Terra Lago and Shadow Hills only have water stations at the clubhouse. Indio muni which isn't large, has a drinking fountain around the 4th/13th hole.

[[Edited by robule on Thursday March 16, 2017 5:41 PM]]
REPLY
 Message #82802 - This was a reply to message #82800
1PLUS1
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 27, 2007


Favorite Golfer:
    Seve; Nick Faldo
Favorite Golf Course:
    Belgrade Lakes (Maine)


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Thursday March 16, 2017 6:12 PM
QUOTED  5-6 five-gallon water jugs located around the course are going to create a haven for mosquitoes. Don't forget about the stagnant water in some of those lakes, that's not an issue!

Funny...I almost said that same thing in my post!
REPLY
 Message #82803 - This was a reply to message #82802
CPennbo
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

Community Director/Women

GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 20, 2003


Favorite Golfer:
    Annika/Mickelson
Favorite Golf Course:
    Balboa


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Friday March 17, 2017 9:14 PM
QUOTED  posted by kevbig
If I'm playing in the desert, I know it's going to be hot and dry so I'm not relying on the course to keep me hydrated. While it's a nice touch on the part of those that do provide water, I'd rather not count on them. Safest bet is to bring your own and voila! Problem solved. And as far as I know doesn't Eagle Falls provide 2 bottles on the cart?


Absolutely agree. Wherever I'm playing and especially if it's hot. My water bottle always goes with me.

QUOTED  [Posted By 1PLUS1 on 03.16.2017 4:03 PM]
Just to clarify things, I was not suggesting nor implying that it is the responsibility/obligation of Eagle Falls...nor any other golf course for that matter...to provide water for everyone out there playing. I was merely drawing attention to the current on-course water situation and questioning why it exists.

QUOTED  Providing a couple of 16.9 oz. bottles of water is hardly sufficient if one is going to stay hydrated while playing in the desert and being dependent upon a beverage cart for relief is certainly not in the best interest of the golfer either. The Indian Wells Golf Resort has figured it out...water coolers spaced every three holes...so what's Eagle Falls' excuse?

QUOTED  That being acknowledged, I still believe there should be some water stations available and, judging from the reviews that were posted, there are others who feel the same. Whether or not you agree is not the point.


I'm confused. Then what are you saying? I keep rereading your posts but I come up with the same thing. What am I missing?

It seems to me that it is our responsibility as golfers to make sure we are physically ready to play and that our needs are met for the round. Buy water at the course, bring your own, whatever. I'd hate to think we are making the courses responsible for meeting our needs because where does it stop? I would encourage Eagle Falls and other Indio courses to plainly note it on their websites and perhaps on the cards themselves that there are No Drinking Water Stations on the Course so that those who are used to it on other courses aren't caught out.

With all that said if it's Indio city council making the decisions I am willing to bet the golf courses in the areas have already taken issue with the ruling. I would encourage anyone who believes this to be a mistake to write to the city council and express their concerns. Be proactive about what you want to see on courses. :-)
REPLY
New Year's Resolution- HAVE MORE FUN, DO MORE, SEE MORE, LAUGH MORE!
 Message #82813 - This was a reply to message #82796
1PLUS1
RE: Eagle Falls On-Course Water Situation

GK Event: Played in a GK Event

Member Since:
    March 27, 2007


Favorite Golfer:
    Seve; Nick Faldo
Favorite Golf Course:
    Belgrade Lakes (Maine)


RPGC MAIL USER VIEW USER REGISTRY ADD USER TO BUDDY LIST
Saturday March 18, 2017 3:13 PM
QUOTED  I'm confused. Then what are you saying? I keep rereading your posts but I come up with the same thing. What am I missing?

My point is this: I believe on-course water stations should be made available, especially in an arid, desert environment. Now, if there are regulations that forbid the placement of water coolers at select locations around the course, I'll accept things for what they are and move on. However, in Eagle Falls' case, mosquito abatement has no bearing on the present situation and I was able to obtain first-hand information confirming that fact.

Since my curiosity got the best of me, I decided to reach out to Eagle Falls this afternoon and had a wonderful conversation with Willie Maples, the GM. He explained that there are no water or power sources to draw from on the golf course, other than for irrigation. Apparently this decision was made as a cost-cutting measure when the golf course was under construction and things have remained so for the past decade of its' existence.

While the placement of Igloo-type coolers is a viable option...although Mr. Maples did refer to them as "ugly"...the GM at The Fantasy Springs Casino & Resort, who has jurisdiction over the golf course, instituted the water bottle program as an alternative. I was informed the weekly water cost is in the vicinity of $500.00 per week.

Mr. Maples also went on to tell me that, on occasion, when hosting large-scale events, the Food & Beverage Staff from the hotel will set up jugs of water, juice, etc. at various holes but only in those instances.

As our conversation drew to a close, it was noted that the on-course water issue is a topic of conversation at least once a year amongst the management team. With potential construction costs and how they might factor into the facility's business model, management has opted to keep things status quo.
QUOTED  It seems to me that it is our responsibility as golfers to make sure we are physically ready to play and that our needs are met for the round. Buy water at the course, bring your own, whatever. I'd hate to think we are making the courses responsible for meeting our needs because where does it stop?

I totally agree and stated so in my post. I'm not putting the onus on the golf course; I just think the decision to forego water stations at Eagle Falls wasn't a very practical decision from a consumer's point of view.
REPLY
 Message #82838 - This was a reply to message #82813

Listing 1 to 10 of 12 Replies

PAGES: 2 1 2

[ Community Page ]