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Wednesday January 31, 2018 1:18 PM
Our country club will open for play anytime the greens are clear and dry enough. This winter has been warm and we are close to playing today, with the exception of a few holes that don't get as much sun. The question is, would it damage the greens to squeegee them off during the warm part of the day when instead of ice and snow, it is mostly slush and water? The follow up question to that is on the greens low spots, water is pooling up by day and freezing by night. Could that be healthy?
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Friday February 2, 2018 12:44 PM
I'm not a agronomist my any means but, a few years ago my PGATour professional bought 3 golf courses in upper Michigan out of foreclosure. He turned over a percentage to me and his swing coach. I have managing responsibilities. I'm also around major athletic venues where turf maintenance issues are closely managed during season.

Vacating water. It sounds like you have water pooling in a bowl. If you're concerned with how much damage you're doing to your greens, a less evasive tactic would be suck the water off using a sump pump or wet/dry vac. I would vacate the water into a drum/buckets and dump your water in a lesser traveled area. Squeegees are great on flat surfaces... not so good in a bowl.

Freezing at night: Hard to tell without any history what effect freezing water has on your greens. If your greens have survived numerous winters, I would guess they've adapted well. Even on a small 18 hole golf course, there are micro-climates/environments that are positive/negative/neutral to a growing species. Without knowing what kind of grass you're growing and if you're native soil, sand base or ???, without seeing sample plugs from that area, it'd be foolish to even guess. I can tell you, though. When water freezes and melts, there are micro air pockets. It's a good thing because what we all know as golfers, the introduction of air to the subsoil through the aeration cycle we go through here in SoCal is important in keeping our greens healthy. Water, on the other hand, can drown the roots and you'll have a much longer recovery time.

My advice, would be to contact your local university/college and have a professor come out with his/her class to get real hands-on experience in bringing on a tactical solution to your problem.


http://plantscience.psu.edu/research/centers/turf/extension/factsheets/cool-season#GROWTH

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[[Edited by SCGolf on Friday February 2, 2018 12:47 PM]]
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Saturday February 3, 2018 5:42 AM
Nice comment SCGolf
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Saturday February 3, 2018 5:50 AM
dang! SC looks like you know your stuff

Know anyone in LA who might be able to set up a small putting green at our school?
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SCGolf
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Sunday February 4, 2018 3:43 PM
QUOTED Know anyone in LA who might be able to set up a small putting green at our school?


I do know quite a few individuals who are highly capable. You should know however, it IS VERY expensive to install and maintain a putting green. As you know, I have a 45x80 (3600 sq ft) putting green at my home in Southern California. It's a princess. During the summer, it's mowed EVERY DAY at .125" While I didn't buy my mower new, I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of $3500 sunk into that puppy. Trees around the greens are maintained for proper air flow. I'm running Tifgreen 328. While it has fewer pest and disease problems (and having installed 18" root zone), I avoided many problems most residential installs came across.

For a 3600 sq ft, You're looking at about 21 rolls (1 tractor/trailer load @ 175 sqft/roll). $2000
You'll need about 8 truck loads of sand/mix (160 tons)
You're probably looking at $20-50K for a small job....

Some reading material if you'd like to pursue

https://www.uaex.edu/publications/PDF/FSA-6143.pdf

https://www.uaex.edu/publications/PDF/MP477.pdf

http://www.ampacseed.com/pdfs/resources/Backyard_Putting_Green.pdf

https://www.uaex.edu/farm-ranch/pest-management/docs/training-manuals/AG1159.pdfnull


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hammer74
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Monday February 5, 2018 5:25 AM
very interesting reads.


Thank you for the info.
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Friday February 9, 2018 10:24 AM
Hey SC been a while. Nice to see you popping in now and again.

So now you're managing courses; groovy to hear that. Whatever happened to that Olympic team gig? I figured you would be in Korea or you handle only Summer?

Be nice to catch up
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Friday March 9, 2018 12:59 PM
Sochi wasn't much fun. With Korea, the IOC got involved to get me over there and it still wasn't any fun. 2022 in Beijing aren't in the plans for me.
Looking forward to Tokyo, Paris and LA in either an official or unofficial capacity.

Thanks for asking Vic. Life's still pretty good
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