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Friday July 5, 2019 4:26 PM
I talk to golf course operators that believe or state they should not maintain fast greens because they are more challenging and therefore slow down the Pace of Play. So they opt to maintain them at a medium to slow pace.

What are your thoughts about that?
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Friday July 5, 2019 4:40 PM
Medium speed and smooth is better than quick and bumpy.
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Friday July 5, 2019 4:40 PM
Hmm, that's a new one. I guess that would speed up things a bit.

Honestly, I'd like to see them let the fairways and greens grow longer just so they are healthy. I'm tired of shaved burned-out grass on hardpan. I'm not sure I could putt on slow greens anymore though. I can miss at any speed.
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Friday July 5, 2019 5:28 PM
too slow sucks. stimp12

I hate downhill fast putts. It's so hard to trust to not hit too hard.
It's so hard to chip close, especially if there is any slope and you are not below the hole.

but my sweet spot is 10.5.

10-10.5, i'll putt and chip really well
11 is challenging, but I can putt well.
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Friday July 5, 2019 9:46 PM
I like the challenge of faster greens; up to a point. For me, that's a big part of the appeal. I will pay a little more up front for it.

There is also challenge for the maintenance staff. It's harder on the grass, especially in the heat of summer, to keep it cut short.

If courses want to slow down the greens, I think they should charge less. Just my opinion.
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Friday July 5, 2019 10:03 PM
Agree with Michael, medium fast seems preferrable to most people I play with.

Faster greens are more challenging, so I can see POP being an issue if they are TOO fast. You start getting above 11 on the Stimp and most players are going to have challenges chipping and putting. Especially on a course with more severely sloping greens.

A good course layout and very good greens are the most important part of the golf experience for me personally. I'll put up with lesser in other areas if the greens are very good to excellent. But consistenly slower (or otherwise poor) greens = they lose my business.

Smooth and medium to medium fast speed and at least soft enough so the average golfer can stop a decent iron on them is what I perceive most golfers want.

I never hear a golfer compliment or request slow, hard, bumpy greens.


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The goal is long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, could I at least hit them straighter?
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Friday July 5, 2019 10:18 PM
I think it comes down to design: super fast with undulations (think Coyote Springs style) are difficult and slows down play. Older designs without the 3 tier, quadruple breaks can be fast. Set the course up how it was design and I don't think there's an issue.

Personally, I like those medium fast to fast greens, even I 3 putt I feel comfortable on them.
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Sunday July 7, 2019 11:15 AM
Speed of greens are determined by many factors? Time of year. Weather. Age of greens and many more, as we all know. I would like to see courses post in the Pro Shop what the speed of the greens are that day (like River Ridge). Or, post a sign by the practice green (if one has time to use it) that greens are or are not, the same or different, than the greens on the course. But in any event, please, just give me good greens to putt on, even if you cannot do anything else? I do not think that is too much to ask? I will figure out the speed, if I have to. But I cannot do anything, if the greens are in poor shape? Too me, having greens that are not in good shape, can be the one thing, that will ruin my round.
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Sunday July 7, 2019 11:43 AM
Medium fast or better. I haven't experienced to much slow play due to excessive putting. Most players almost automatically utilize "gimme" for the third anyway. Only occasionally do you see a player or group closely examining a 2' putt for triple bogey.

Slow play is usually the guy taking 10 practice swings before hitting into the bushes then taking 5 minutes to look for his ball that he recovered from the lake 2 years ago while saying he's trying to save bogey (even though you've already counted 5 strokes and he hasn't even made it onto the green yet).

But I think Jim nailed it best saying smooth over speed when it comes to the greens.
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Monday July 8, 2019 11:31 AM
Yeah, while I agree that faster smooth greens could take longer to play, it's also more pleasurable to putt on fast smooth greens.
I've also known more people in golf who would rather putt on faster smooth greens than slow greens.

On a fast green, playing within and around 4 hours is okay with me. As a matter of fact, it is a more satisfying experience.
The one thing I would not like to do is to play just to finish or just so to finish fast. That takes away a lot about golf.
....I would have rather just be at the range or play a good nine holes.

Also, yes, I agree, the slow greens are much easier to maintain than a fast green that are cut low and smooth.
Yes, please charge me less for those slow greens, and even much less for slow bumpy greens... and even more less for aerated...
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