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Joined Caligolfer1031 to play our GK Cup match yesterday, 2/17 with a 10:20 tee time and got out as a two-some, which was nice.

To lead with the weak point, the fairways are thin and tight, probably the low point of conditions in a winter that has been short on rain. Not much pure bare hardpan, but grass is flattened and zero on the lush scale. That said, they were playable and you got a ton of rollout. The ball was going to sit up because there was nowhere to go down. Not taking much divot, it wasn't a big issue for me but could make for sore wrists if you are a big divot taker. While it could make chipping from the fairway trickier, it bought bump-and-run or Texas wedge more into play. In the end, it didn't seriously detract from my playing experience, but deserves a clear heads up.

Otherwise, all around conditions were very good. Teeing grounds were level with nice coverage. The fact that I barely thought about them all day is a good sign. Rough was generally green and had some body to it, a little fuller around the greens so the chipping opportunities were there. Greg and I agreed that we really liked the bunkers, and my opinion was based on an extensive sampling. Groomed, the sand had body and a nice granular quality that set the ball up, as well as a nice consistency to hit through and give you the best chance for recovery. This comes from somebody who historically struggles in the sand. The greens were very good. Quick but not crazy, clean and pretty true, challenging enough without a lot of surprises.

There was little bit of waiting here and there throughout but it was steady. We enjoyed ourselves and the time went quickly for me, but I lost track of what the actual pace was, which I do know was longer than it seemed.

The pro shop was on point getting us out, and at the back end they have a very nice clubhouse with a comfortable bar that has a relaxed but upscale feel for getting a drink and some food.

It was beautiful day for golf and an enjoyable round. I can offer a critique, but I can't complain.
10 Likes.
Out this Sunday morning, 2/11, as single paired with a very pleasant ladies threesome. With the exception of some grinding on the uphill 10 and 11th holes, we generally kept pace for a five hour round.

Conditions overall were good for this time of year. Fairways were predominantly green and covered with a fair bit of rollout and the occasional thin areas or dirt patch. Fifth fairway is consistently more hardpan than the rest of the fairways. Rough is a mixed bag — frequently playable just off the fairways, but thick stuff, hard stuff, barrancas and the like will punish you, sometimes severely, if you get too far astray. Missed all the bunkers and can't say much there. They generally looked groomed and I noticed at least one a bit damp. With minor exceptions, the greens were in very nice shape and running about as quick as you would want relative to the slope and contours on most of the greens.

Pace not withstanding, an enjoyable round and conditions on what can be a punishing little course.
8 Likes.
Another brief review, I got out this Sunday morning, 2/4, around 10:00, paired up with a twosome and another single — an enjoyable group — for about a five hour round.

The weak point right now is the fairways. Although there is some underlying cushion in most places as well as coverage, they are definitely firm-ish and on the thin side overall which can also reveal more subtle bumps and depressions in the lies — something for which a non-winter grass would compensate. Still playable, with a good bit of rollout, but definitely winter conditions. The rest was all good: tees had enough coverage and were mostly level or close enough, rough mixed but mainly green and playable, bunkers were groomed and clean, and greens were nice, running the quick side of medium.

It was a beautiful day to be out and I shot one of my better scores in a while, so any weaknesses in the the conditions didn't preclude making shots. Temper your expectations here and you probably won't be disappointed — maybe even pleasantly surprised.
10 Likes.
Friday, 1.26, got out around 10:15 this morning for my free birthday round, paired up with a threesome of young Coast Guards and my dog, all of which were good company. We got around in about 4.25 hrs.

I don't get out to RR very often, but the Lakes course is on my list of favorite all around courses. Value, conditions, layout, facilities, accessibility, dog friendly and as good a birthday deal as you will find. I wasn't disappointed today and the all-around conditions were very good. Tees boxes were level, clean and well covered. The winter fairways were like hitting off a soft indoor/outdoor carpet — somewhat tight but with a cushiony base to it that made for a nice hitting surface that had a good deal of rollout. Winter coloring not withstanding, I don't recall any bare or thin patches as in hardpan type thin. The rough was generally consistent on the playable side. I was in some bunkers and they were clean and groomed with a nice medium density sand. Relatively tight around the greens, you frequently had the option to chip or putt from beyond the apron. The greens themselves were rated 11.5 and that's about how they felt —challenging and quick, clean, demanding your attention but not unfair.

Beautiful weather, temperature was perfect with a 1.5 to 2 club breeze at times. I can't think of a negative in the conditions and I'd play it again at the drop of a hat.
11 Likes.
I want to make this a quick one. Teed off around 9:40-ish, 1/21, with a couple and another single for what was a bit over five-hour round.

Having played Harding not too long ago, I think it is in better shape than the Wilson I played today, particularly in the fairway department. An arbitrary estimate would be a 70% chance of a good lie vs. 30% for a funky lie overall. Extensive expanses of decent surface were offset by some thin, bumpy and sandy stretches, in some cases the negative was more extensive. The seventh fairway was particularly crappy overall. Otherwise, good tee boxes, mixed rough (from playable and green, to dirt and gopher holes), groomed bunkers, generally good chipping surfaces around the greens, and the greens themselves are actually in pretty nice shape.
11 Likes.
Played Saturday morning 1/13 at 10:30 with a buddy, paired up with another two-some. I seldom get down to Harbor Park, which makes it a change of pace. Also it fit my itinerary for the day and I like it as a fairly straight forward 9-holer that includes two par fives.

Overall conditions were pretty decent for mid-winter. Tee boxes were level or mostly, and had enough coverage on them. The fairways were pretty green overall and mostly decent lies, but there were stretches where the grass, while green, was fairly thin and the sticky, damp undersoil was more of a factor. Rough could be either lush or bare, depending on where you ended up, but usually better around the greens. I missed the bunkers, so no intel there. I thought the greens were in pretty good shape — running medium speed, fairly true, reasonably smooth, and not particularly bumpy or marked up.

The pace was a leisurely but steady 2.5 hours. It was a surprisingly warm, sunny day — really very nice to be out for a walk— and I had no complaints. Not a course to go too far out of your way to play, but no reason to avoid either.
8 Likes.
Went out yesterday for super twilight and got around with no delays as a single. If you don't know Eaton, I'm not going to sell you on it. The greens are decent, especially compared to the current mess over at the sister course, Altadena. The downhill, first fairway is typically harder, faster and thinner than the rest of the course, which is otherwise a dog-eared combination of reasonably covered and playable fairways with some stretches of hard dirt, the latter usually closer to the tee boxes and out of play. Teeing grounds are good enough, rough is a totally mixed bag, and I missed the bunkers.

Conditions not withstanding, interesting enough layout with great mountain views. Range but no lights, separate short game practice area, and practice green. The cozy bar is usually open after a twilight round. Good for casual play, it's not worth full price, reasonable for twilight, and a pretty good deal for super twilight.
10 Likes.
Got a 9:28 tee-off on Sunday, 12.31, paired with a twosome on a calm, mild morning. Getting right to it, the tee boxes were generally nice — level, with good coverage. The consistent exception is the 10th hole, which is like teeing off the deck of a sinking ship. The winter-normal display of multi-colored grasses on the fairways offered a pretty good hitting surface throughout the day. Really thin patches were relatively rare, and I remember two instances of muddy patches or stretches in the course of the round. The rough grass proximate to the fairways was not very penal and frequently offered a good lie. I didn't hit a bunker all day so, while they looked OK, I have no feedback there. The greens, like the fairways, had a wintery look but putted pretty well, firm and speedy. I recall one green on which I was putting through some bumpy, exposed dirt patches, but that was definitely an exception to the general rule.

The course was not overly busy. The threesome ahead of us started with a short lead and, with the exception of a little catch-up and brief delay on holes 11 and 12, kept out of range and well ahead. No one was ever close behind us and we finished in about 3.75 hrs. on a Sunday morning — a nicely comfortable but efficient pace. I did have to keep my walking pace up since the other two shared a cart and moved at a good clip.

For this time of year, I felt the course was in pretty good shape. Most miscues were pilot error and not the result of course issues. I would have no reservations about going back, with the hope that I putt much better than I did on the day.

Happy New Year!
10 Likes.
Stopped by Tuesday afternoon to hit a small "bucket" (automated tees) and play a quick round at the 9-hole executive. There is a lot of detail in the thread about this course so this is just a quick update. They keep this course in very good shape. Tees are matts, so they are tight and level. The fairways are well grown in and lush, as are the intermediate areas between tee and green on the par threes. Same for the rough and areas around the greens. One green — the eighth, I believe — was suffering from some funky patchiness and bare spots, but the rest of the greens were in very good shape. They are deceptively speedy and, given some of the slope on many of the greens, about as fast as you would reasonably want them.

Overall, a very well kept and reasonably priced facility with a challenging and well maintained short course.
7 Likes.
Got out this afternoon as a single @2:50 and got 11 holes in for twilight before calling it quits. There was no one in sight behind me and the twosome ahead of me moved briskly so I never got close. No wind, and really a beautiful late afternoon to get a walk in.

I'd describe the conditions overall as good but wintery, the fairways in particular. With few actual bare spots, the coverage was generally green but included patches of browned out or drier grass — all of which was generally on the firm, tighter side with the accompanying rollout. I take little or no divot so I was generally fine with it. If you take more divot or need more perched lies, you might have more issue with it. The tightness overall also made chipping more challenging than usual if you were on the fairway short of the green. Areas of rough around the green were more typical, thicker lies. Otherwise, teeing grounds were very good. I missed playing any bunkers but they seemed clean and firm based on stepping into one. The greens were quite decent, pretty clean and true, running a nice medium quick.

One has to make the personal decision as to whether tighter fairways create a disincentive. For me, it was not a big factor, the course conditions were consistent, and I enjoyed it.
12 Likes.
I've been hitting Altadena much less lately and played Friday with a buddy and a single, first off twilight @ 2:30. I hadn't played here in a while and there's been new management for a few months. To me, it's in arguably the worst shape I've seen it, maybe ever. One plus is that the driving range is grass and it looks like they are managing that well enough. Other positives are the tee boxes generally being flat and serviceable, they attempting to cut and define the fairway grass (any bare or brown stretches not withstanding) the lies are mostly decent, we're in generous rollout season (wintery), and the rough is mixed but generally OK. I hit no bunkers so no comment, though they are usually good enough here if you don't mind the odd pebble or small stone. The greens are crap — running as quick as I've ever seen them here — but crap. Practice green also. Plenty of scattered bare areas, bumpy and dinged up. Currently, because it's convenient and knowing what I'm in for, I might come out here for a practice round at super twilight if I didn't care at all to work on my putting, but more likely not. Realistically, and especially given this time of year, I will probably stay away from the course for a good while to wait and see the longer term results of any attempts by the new management to improve the place.

It's not like it's been abandoned, and there is always hope that it will improve. A local like me can drop buy, take a look and decide how badly I want to play on a given day, but even I am spending most of my golf time on other courses. There is absolutely no reason for anyone to go out of their way to play here right now.
9 Likes.
Teed off Sunday morning sometime after 9:00. I showed up as a single and as a cluster of groups arrived on the first tee line up, found I was paired with a threesome. But due to a strange bit of scheduling there was a single set to go off alone two groups ahead of us, so I joined him for a twosome.

There were a lot of pluses on the day. Mild weather, a surprisingly reasonable pace of just under 4.5 hrs. on a Sunday, the other single was excellent company, and the course is in overall pretty nice shape.

I don't recall any issues finding a suitable flat spot on a tee box all day. Of the various aspects, it was the fairways that had the minor issue of the occasional scattered bare or thin area. They were isolated and not generally a problem, with the grass and lies offered through most of the fairways being good. The one time it really affected me was when I hit a good drive on #10 and ended up on a soft, bare dirt patch on the fairway. It was situated within an area of active gopher holes (with a resident go-fare) so I took a drop and it was of no consequence. In this case, the patch was the exception on an otherwise nicely green fairway. Rough was pretty consistently green, of varying lengths, frequently kikuyu, and so recovery varied. I was in one bunker which was clean with minimal footprints and medium firm to play from. The greens were in good shape, minimal ball marks, running true and medium quick — quick enough to get frisky on some downhill puts. A nice pace for a muni, really.

Conditions provided for a very enjoyable round and I was glad I opted for Harding on the day.
12 Likes.
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