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Thursday September 17, 2020 11:53 AM
In watching the US Open at Winged Foot today, I am somewhat of two minds regarding the changes that the USGA is raving about in how one of their "Open Drs" (architect Gil Hanse in this case) had returned the course as close as possible to original architect AW Tillinghast's vision. In particular, the expansion of the greens back to larger versions with a very severe amount of undulation seemed to be the most significant change. Now I can understand the lengthening of the course by several hundred yards as clearly today's equipment allows for much greater distance to be generated due to the balls, club changes and athletic conditioning (although I am sure that even with a course measuring 7500 yards there is not the same premium on the ability to hit long irons that the course originally had when even the best players would not hit drives over 280 yards and a good 3-iron shot travelled something like 190 yards). But to see greens with significantly severe undulations when modern green agronomy technology allows for stimpmeter speeds of 12 or 13 seems a bit much.

Wondering what other folks think about these "restorations" that are intended to restore these older courses to something closer to their original state while perhaps not fully taking into account the modern changes to factors that give modern players far more an advantage in the tee-to-green game.
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Thursday September 17, 2020 1:56 PM
Severe undulations were never meant to roll above an 8, but the pros would riot if they really wanted to honor the architects intention
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Monday October 11, 2021 10:42 PM
QUOTED  Wondering what other folks think about these "restorations" that are intended to restore these older courses to something closer to their original state while perhaps not fully taking into account the modern changes to factors that give modern players far more an advantage in the tee-to-green game.


Excellent point. Because restoring a severe green to it's original state when it was meant to accept short irons is one thing. But if the hole has been lengthened 100 yards over the years where today average players are hitting much more than short irons, that is a completely different story.

I cannot hit the ball nearly as high as I could even 10 years ago, so harder to stop than they used to be. But I played a recent competitive round where I hit a well struck 6I that landed and made a large divot in the back middle of a green... and I ended up almost 10 yards over a green that was NOT very firm. Relatively soft and seemingly accepting shots well.

The course I was playing was about 75 years old. My guess is that hole has been lengthened over the years and that the green I was hitting into was not meant to be holding 6I's from 180 yards.
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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