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Saturday March 13, 2021 1:42 PM
When we played Oak Quarry Tues 3/9 the greens had been punched and heavily sanded, I knew that from GK alerts.

We decided to putt once then pickup for 2 putts. My question is are the conditions I mentioned considered Adverse for WHS posting.
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Friday March 19, 2021 10:36 AM
QUOTED  My question is are the conditions I mentioned considered Adverse for WHS posting.

Sorry, little confused, what does WHS posting mean?
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Sunday March 21, 2021 7:32 PM
Probably should have typed GHIN score posting
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Monday March 22, 2021 8:48 AM
QUOTED  My question is are the conditions I mentioned considered Adverse for WHS posting.

You are probably referring to the playing conditions calculations, PCC.

The way it works is:
if there is a trend of people playing higher than their course handicap, they assume it could be due to playing conditions. So there is some threshold where they will adjust your score accordingly (lower) to account for the presumable tougher playing conditions.

So it's based solely on submitted scores, not on actual playing conditions.

That being said, in my 118 posted rounds last year, not one got adjusted. I know I've played on some windy days... I don't know what it takes to trigger it.
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Monday March 22, 2021 4:11 PM
PCC = Playing Conditions Calculation

It is applied in the calculation of a score differential if the course or weather conditions on a day of play significantly impacted players performances.


QUOTED  So it's based solely on submitted scores, not on actual playing conditions.

Two days of tournament play at Bayonet & Blackhorse last November. First day mild, second day wild wind over 20 gusts to 30. field of over 100 NCGA players whose scores were posted by the committee.
Player performance had to be affected 2nd round but don't see such notation on my posted scores.
Perhaps it is not a published stat?
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Monday March 22, 2021 4:40 PM
from the usga faq: https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/world-handicap-system/world-handicap-system-usga-golf-faqs/faqs---what-is-the-playing-conditions-calculation--pcc--.html

QUOTED At the end of each day, the Playing Conditions Calculation takes place automatically to determine if scores made at the course were significantly higher or lower than the expected scores of the players who made them, primarily due to weather and/or course set up.

If scores were abnormally low or high, a PCC adjustment between -1 and +3 will be applied to the Score Differentials of everyone who played that day. A negative (-) adjustment means the course played easier than expected and a positive (+) adjustment means the course played more difficult than expected. A PCC of 0 means the course played as expected, which will be the case on most days.

The PCC:

Uses scoring data so no action is required by the club/course staff or golfer (except for posting scores),
Includes only scores made by players with a Handicap Index of 36.0 or below,
Considers both 9-hole and 18-hole scores in the calculation, and
Only takes place if at least 8 scores were posted on a given day.


It's some algorithm of scores... actual weather is not considered... only the scores, which indirectly could be the weather... or it could be ridiculous pin placements... or high rough. .. or anything... doesn't matter. the scores matter.
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Monday March 22, 2021 4:42 PM
QUOTED  Perhaps it is not a published stat?

it's on your list of scores on your ghin stats page. It's the column between rating/slope and differential... and is usually a dash. When they apply it, it will be a number -1 to +3
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Friday October 22, 2021 1:27 PM
My understanding is that the PCC will only potentially kick in if the score was posted within 2 days of the date the round was played AND also only if 8 or more rounds are posted same day, same course.

If both of those occur and if you score is significantly better or worse than the "average" round posted for that date, the GHIN computer may adjust the adjusted differential of your score. 0.5 is the lowest adjustment. And that is completely "behind the scenes", all done by the GHIN master computer. No action required by the golfer, and we have no idea what the exact criteria is.

Like Michael, after well over one hundred scores posted for me since the new WHS went into effect, I have almost never had this feature kick in.
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The goal has always been long and straight! But since I can no longer hit them long, hopefully straighter could be achieved more than occasionally?
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Friday October 22, 2021 2:24 PM
108 scores posted in 2021, and it's been applied 5 times. twice, it made sense to me, course played hard due to: one was a tuff day setup at my home course, and the other was a really windy day at whistling straits.

the other 3... twice, the course played easier according to PCC, and once harder, and i didn't feel it one way or the other on any of those.

I still have no clue how it decides when to apply.
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